Oh you mean those nations whose bacon we had to save twice from the Germans and then again from the Russians? Not claiming we did it alone, but you couldn't have survived without us...well, not without speaking with a German accent at least.ib wrote:What you have worry to about is the respect of the other 'Western' countries who have been your allies for the last century, i.e. since you began to grow up?
Since Reagan? Yeah, that would figure the guy that put the stake in the heart of the USSR, you had no respect for. I remember all the demonstrations against him...how he was going to cause a nuclear holocaust etc... looks pretty much like most of Europe was running around like chicken little.ib wrote:Their continued, now rather thin, support for the US is largely 'for old times sake', because they've not felt much respect for US leadership since Reagan, and Dubya has practically eradicated it altogether already!
You're under the mis-apprehension that your opinion SHOULD matter. I know the argument is that the US is so important militarily and economically that it affects you..you should have a say. Here's my reply... strengthen your own economy and military... we've done the heavy lifting for 50+ years without a thank you even. Hell from my understanding, Finland is the only Country that's ever paid back their Marshall plan debts..and they sided with the Germans!ib wrote:While only the votes of the US citizens will count here, you should not lose sight of the fact that the 'West' overwhelmingly want to see Obama in the Whithouse and see no reason why they should consider McCain as any better than Bush.
I'm sure you'd rather see the Iraqi's back under Saddam's boot or somebody's boot... but the fact is that war is won... most of the country is back in the control of the Iraqi's and the force withdrawal papers are nearly complete.... meanwhile, we're still keeping a force in S. Korea as a speed bump, just like we kept them in Germany to prevent the USSR from turning a Paris Spring into a Prague Spring.ib wrote:Their respect for the American people will never diminish but they want to see that you recognise that your place in the World really needs to change from what we've seen in the last decade in particular ......
Nice. But the risk isn't to YOUR country with Obama at the Wheel...it's to ours. And we've had enough citizens killed on our soil because of the in-attention created by chasing interns rather than killing America's enemies.ib wrote:Perhaps there will be a risk to International Relations with Obama, but it's a risk that must be taken as the alternative is continued decline that will erode many options for the future .... and the whole World must worry about that!
I wonder with all the clamoring for a say in US elections, that none of you require a say in Russian or Chinese elections... I mean Russia JUST invaded a country SPECIFICALLY to control an oil pipeline (and thus squeeze European options) and I wonder where all the demonstrations are... where are the human shields? The Chinese crack down on tibetan monks...and still no outcry..
It's almost as if there is a double standard.
And let's remember Nations don't have Friends.. they have interests. And it's been made clear what Europes are.