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President Obama

Post by Seany » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:33 pm

I know I'm a stranger in these parts but is it all over bar the shouting. Has McCain appealed to his friends for the last time and is Mrs Moose Hunter now working on her 2012 Presidential campaign.

have we now 4 years of fair distribution of wealth/pinko liberal socialism (delete as appropriate)

What say you my US chums?
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Re: President Obama

Post by bgamble » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:11 am

Id say its all down to turn out. Actually Obama's lead in the polls could hurt him at this point. If the young folks turn out to vote it is a done deal. But if not, Christ's army of religious zealots will control the day.

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Re: President Obama

Post by bill_sd » Sun Oct 26, 2008 2:31 pm

is Mrs Moose Hunter ...
Listen here, Moosehead, do not try to tie me to Mrs. Palin, at least not on this forum. Although I wouldn't mind giving her the Moose-Punch, in my own special way, if ya know what I mean :roll:

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Re: President Obama

Post by ccm » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:33 am

Seany wrote:I know I'm a stranger in these parts but is it all over bar the shouting. Has McCain appealed to his friends for the last time and is Mrs Moose Hunter now working on her 2012 Presidential campaign.

have we now 4 years of fair distribution of wealth/pinko liberal socialism (delete as appropriate)

What say you my US chums?

Remember 2000? It's not over until the last vote is counted. I remember going to bed the night of the 2000 election thinking Al Gore had won.

Whoever wins, it will be a historic election - either the 1st non-white president or the 1st female VP.

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Re: President Obama

Post by mike_ac » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:43 am

I must say, a couple of months ago, I thought, "no way Obama could win," but who could have foreseen the Palin VP pick? That has not helped McCain much at all. Before that pick, Obama was the only one with known recent ties to blatant corruption. Now (though arguably legal), we've got Palin's $150,000 shopping spree and $60,000 worth of state-paid vacations for her kids.

Either way, I guess we can take some solace in knowing that the president doesn't actually make any laws.
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Re: President Obama

Post by ccm » Mon Oct 27, 2008 7:52 am

mike_ac wrote:...we've got Palin's $150,000 shopping spree...
I read that the money was spent to provide clothes for her and her family because they didn't have time to pack before she was announced as McCain's pick. The article also said that all the clothes will be donated to charity after the election - the Palins will not be keeping anything.
Either way, I guess we can take some solace in knowing that the president doesn't actually make any laws.
I agree with you on this sentiment. I'll just be glad with the election is over - I wonder when the 2012 campaigns will start. :roll:

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Re: President Obama

Post by VLozano » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:50 am

ccm wrote:Whoever wins, it will be a historic election - either the 1st non-white president or the 1st female VP.
Sad but true.

Sad because the fact of have a black president (or a non-white one), or a female VP will be a new thing. But I remember when SC (months or years ago) talked about the chance of having both things in one... Ms Condolezza Rice as USofA's president stills make me have nightmares.
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Re: President Obama

Post by mike_ac » Mon Oct 27, 2008 1:25 pm

ccm wrote:
mike_ac wrote:...we've got Palin's $150,000 shopping spree...
I read that the money was spent to provide clothes for her and her family because they didn't have time to pack before she was announced as McCain's pick. The article also said that all the clothes will be donated to charity after the election - the Palins will not be keeping anything.
I don't think the legality of the $150k is the problem. The issue is the magnitude of this particular image makeover. Is that kind of expenditure valid? (And, does it make it ok just because the stuff is going to charity eventually, with full tax deduction, etc?)

The validity of the $60k of state-paid vacations is even less clear.

Of course, on the other side, ACORN's fake voter registrations were blatantly illegal...
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Re: President Obama

Post by Spartan_coder » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:40 am

I think in fact that the polls are over-stating Obamas lead. They are controlled on what is thought to be the political make-up of the country so in a sample of 1000 people, 650 are democrats. Thus the extensive lead that Obama has been maintaining. Early results out of California (early voting has already started) show Obama with only a small lead in a state that he should control more heavily. Enthusiasm may not equal turnout.

In the end, I think PA will be the state that determines the winner this year. And I think that it's going to go McCain's way... why? Gut feeling. The American people have a way of getting it right when it really counts. I've said it before, I'll call it for McCain by 4% that's close to the present margin of error.

As for Palins wardrobe...The silliness of all this is if she were a "he" you wouldn't even hear that crap. The media is in the tank for Obama for a number of reasons. OB spent half a million dollars on that ridiculous greek temple for his nomination speech... do you care about that? What about all the American flags that they threw in the trash afterwards? It was left to a boyscout to go through the trash at Invesco field and pull them from the trash for disposing of in a proper manner.

Could you imagine the press publicizing Hillary's clothing expenditures?

In any case, if Obama wins, I will definitely have a dis-incentive to work more hours... Perhaps the country needs a good dose of Democratic controlled Congress and Executive Branch... the last time the US saw that was with Carter.. and lord knows how well that worked out! Tax brackets for folks making what I do approached 70% then, they won't do any better now.

People are voting against the economic breakdown when, in fact, it was Democrats that caused it... and they're going to get what they deserve if by way of protest vote they elect a man that intends to "stick it to the man". That man being the taxpayer.

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Re: President Obama

Post by Snowy » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:11 am

It's too late for McCain, he will lose.

I'm sure you looked at http://www.electoral-vote.com/ . There is a clear trend.

Obama is even getting good scores in traditional Republican states.

I know I know... only one pool will count, and that is November 4th.

you must admit that it does not look good for "Impulsive" McCain.

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Re: President Obama

Post by Spartan_coder » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:35 am

Snowy wrote:It's too late for McCain, he will lose.

I'm sure you looked at http://www.electoral-vote.com/ . There is a clear trend.
What's the source of the data that the site uses? Polling data.... what did I say was possibly skewed? Potentially wrong data = potentially wrong conclusions. I think the fundamentals of polling are breaking down and I'm not sure they can be trusted.

I'm no fan of McCain, but given the alternative....
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Re: President Obama

Post by bgamble » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:46 am

What's more important is that yesterday, my mother was successful in her bid to win re election as the Mayer of her town in central Florida
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Re: President Obama

Post by bill_sd » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:57 pm

I just watched the movie "Swing Vote" on my flight to the west coast this week.
Can't be anymore frightening than that.

I am a Republican, by virtue of my job classification only, and most of my best freinds are Southern, Environmentalist hardcore democrats.

I don't have anything left to argue with them on anymore, it's gonna be Obama, and I think it's probably best

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Re: President Obama

Post by DavGSSAP » Tue Oct 28, 2008 8:13 pm

I fear for international relations and the last glimmer of respect for the US as the most powerful nation in the world if Barrack Hussein Obama is somehow elected.

Why did the Dem's use the model of VP with more experience than Pres like the Repub's used for the past 8 years? It just doesn't work.

Maybe Obama in 2016 would be good, but as of now, I'm scared about having such a rookie as the "most powerful man in the world."

John McCain is strong, and like Roosevelt and Churchill, people doubt him for his age and physical appearance.

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Re: President Obama

Post by ib » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:30 am

I fear for international relations and the last glimmer of respect for the US as the most powerful nation in the world if Barrack Hussein Obama is somehow elected.
Just goes to show you really have no idea how the rest of the world actually sees the USA ?

Forget all those rabid uncivilised nations that will always hate the 'West' because we stand in the way of their total domination of the ignorant masses, and pick on the US because the they are the biggest of the 'West. You will never win them over and shouldn't care to try.

What you have worry to about is the respect of the other 'Western' countries who have been your allies for the last century, i.e. since you began to grow up?

Their continued, now rather thin, support for the US is largely 'for old times sake', because they've not felt much respect for US leadership since Reagan, and Dubya has practically eradicated it altogether already!

While only the votes of the US citizens will count here, you should not lose sight of the fact that the 'West' overwhelmingly want to see Obama in the Whithouse and see no reason why they should consider McCain as any better than Bush.

Their respect for the American people will never diminish but they want to see that you recognise that your place in the World really needs to change from what we've seen in the last decade in particular ......

Perhaps there will be a risk to International Relations with Obama, but it's a risk that must be taken as the alternative is continued decline that will erode many options for the future .... and the whole World must worry about that!
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